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    Ok, so I thought this problem was solved, but apparantly not. Its not the relay, though I still probably need new ones. Again it started fine today, though with a little bit of struggle at first. I parked it for a while and when I came back to go home it started but sounded odd, like the sound of the starter got distorted a little before it caught. Then at home I turned it off, and then started it again but it didn't first it did nothing at all like before, so I played with the relays, and thumped the alternator and starter with a small wooden club and it made a very odd noise when I started it. Still not an actual start, the distortion like before only longer and no catch, and then when I stopped turning the key there was an odd clicking from the engine for several seconds. Guys help me out again will ya what is it? I don't care if I have to buy a new starter or alternator, I just don't know much about electrical stuff like wiring so if that's it try to be detailed with the remedy. Thanks

  • #2
    I have a 92 wrangler with the 2.5. I had the same problem. Go buy an Auto Zone lifetime guaranteed starter for about 80 bucks and forget about it.

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    • #3
      not sure what is wrong but i would lean toward starter.
      that said, with my past experience has taught me that what you spend does = quality especially with electrical parts, IE, starters, alternates, fuel pumps etc

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      • #4
        Not the alternator-unless it is seized. it has nothing to do with the starting system. the sound you describe seems to be starter related-like the starter is working, but the solenoid is not pushing the gear outward towards the flywheel---so no cranking of the engine. Oh yeah, definitely agree with SDBOY---spend the extra money and get a quality part. lifetime warranty doesn't matter to me if I have to replace it every month.

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        • #5
          I just replaced my starter this weekend. Over the period of a few weeks had a grinding/bearing sound when I started the Jeep. Either the armiture or something else in the starter was going. Now it sounds a whole lot better and starts about 50% faster too.

          I ended up getting a Duralast starter reman from AutoZone. I have no idea how long it will last- we'll see. For $110- suits me good right now.

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          • #6
            Yeah, I went to autozone and got whatever their top of the line starter is. I think its a Duralast Gold, about $150. Hopefully this will solve it, we'll see though, thought I fixed it before and then it crapped out on me. Just gotta wait for the part to come in. ANybody here do this install on a 4cyl? the two bolts that hold on the starter are some kind of weird pattern, the guide says I need a type e-12 torx socket, guess I'll have to make another trip to Autozone. Why can't they just use normal bolts on these things. I have it soaked with PB blaster overnight so hopefully by morning they should come out. I guess over time I'll replace all the bolts and nuts one at a time with various projects.

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            • #7
              Just did it this weekend on a 94 YJ 2.5L. Those two star bolts have to come out. Make sure you keep/use whatever shims (if there are any) that come out with your old starter on your new starter.

              I used a combination of these tools.

              *The inverse star socket thingy from Autozone- they have a set of 4 for 3/8 inch drive

              * 1/2 female to 3/8 male adapter

              *1/2 small breaker bar

              *1/2 inch rachet

              *1/2 inch extension about 4 inches long


              The angle to to get to the star bolts is a little difficult. If you use the breaker bar just be careful to keep it straight and the handle parallel and such. I used the bar (and extension on one of the bolts) to get them started and then the rachet with extension to keep loosening them. I managed to get both out without breaking either of the bolts- that's always good. The bellhousing bolt was sort of in the way but I worked around it.

              I used some PB blaster too- worked well.

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              • #8
                Mine might be a little different for some reason but I used a 12 point socket and they came right out. I replaced them with regular 6 sided bolts when I put them back in because one of them had burred up threads from a past attempt.

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                • #9
                  does anybody know if a new starter comes with mounting bolts? The ones holding it on are being a realpain to get off, I have had them soaking with PB blaster for 2 days now and they won't budge. I'm not even sure if I can get to the one next to the tranny. and the other one is about to round off completely. I am ready to cut them off and drill them out, but I don't know if a new starter comes with new bolts.

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                  • #10
                    I ended up using the original bolts again. These suckers are long. I'm not sure you would be able to cut them and drill them out. As I remember it's about a 4-5 inch bolt. Try using a 16-24 inch long 1/2 inch breaker bar to get them started. Be as careful as you can to avoid snapping the bolt off. If you keep the socket on the bolt as straight as you can it works out a little better.

                    It is a real pain to get them out. I started to slightly round off one or two of the star ends on one of the bolts- luckily it wasn't too bad.

                    In the Autozone kit there are two sockets that fit, one of them fits more snuggly.



                    . . . it is a real pain in the though

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                    • #11
                      atwrangler.
                      Be carfull with those bolts. As I remember, Mine were a reall pain in the A$$ to brake loose also but you are talking about some real headaches if the bolts brake off. The are about 9" long and are going to be dificult to drill out. In most cases, the starters that I have purchased did not come with new bolts. But you may be lucky.
                      Make sure that you reshim your starter and you may want to replace your battery cables while you have the starter off.

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                      • #12
                        Yeah, I gave up. I'm gonna have it hauled to a shop near by. I hate to spend the money, but I am spending more to do it myself and causing more damage than good. So best bet is to let them deal with it and just suck it up. I was so close, just those two bolts but nope. The one just about stripped off and I am having a hell of a time getting to the other. Two days of PB and a breaker bar and they just won't budge. For my sainity and my knuckles sake I will let somebody else deal with this.

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                        • #13
                          probably a smart move. . . it's good you gave it a shot though. Those bolts are a big headache. I'm really surprised mine came out ok this weekend



                          good luck man

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                          • #14
                            my new starter never came with bolts. Like luckeeluke said they are awful long and will twist a good bit before breaking. I used a twelve point good Snap-On socket and a lont extension with a breaker bar. I had my doubts for a few seconds with thoughts running through my mind on where my EZ outs were, but they finally came loose. Mine were standard thread and I replaced them with 6 sided bolts and antiseize.

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